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everybody? Awesome. Yeah, let's let's go into it. Just a sec. Yeah, we'll start
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with the news. First of all, this company Chime Financial, a financial app built on
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Ruben Rails. Um, co-founded by Ryan King from San Francisco and Noel right here
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is who's also speaking at this conference later. Uh, is leading the I love Ruby team at Chime. So, I'm
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assuming you guys all know this company. They completed the IPO. Woo!
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Congrats. And this is important because this is the latest fulfillment of the promise of
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Rails that it's going to take you from idea all the way to IPO. And we see this
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happening right now, right in June. Now, another Ruby company, Figma, which
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not everybody knows that, is using Ruby on the back end. Sinatra, active record
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in addition to a lot of web assembly, rust and go. Um they filed for I for
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IPO. So we might have two Ruby IPOs this year. Can we have three? Um this company
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Bolt.ne. a very popular new web coding application
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also built on Ruby and Rails back end uh and a lot of uh web assembly um and
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remix uh co-ounded by Eric and Albert from San Francisco
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uh they posted an incredible $40 million ARR from after five months from
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launching Bolt the their new product which is pretty historical honestly.
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Uh they also ran the world's largest hackathon uh last month with about a
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million projects built and on bold but every single one of them was served by
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Rails and Active Record. Keep it in mind. Uh this company uh also new a
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relatively new Rails startup from 2021 co-founded by Jack Shy from New York. um
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built on rails and Nex.js. This is a Gen Z e-commerce platform
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they posted. So this is a special chart chart I got from Jack. This is their
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growth of their transaction volume and the platform is now serving $1.4 billion
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transactions. And again, this is a new startup that just they just founded in 2021 on Ruben
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Rails. this company uh I'm sure somebody knows uh Nick who
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co-ounded it. Nick is from Maryland. This is a product for creators
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and in February they raised $150 million which I think is obscene. I don't know
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why you need this amount of money. Uh again built on rails. Um, this guy
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Carmine Paulina, he built Ruby Lalam and Ruby Lalam went to the on the to the
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front page of Hacker News back in March. Incredible conversations and like a
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pretty big deal. something else. Um, a partner at YC, Tom uh Blumfield is
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recommending Rails publicly uh in a response to Andre Karpathy from OpenAI
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saying that hey Ruby on Rails is actually great for uh a great option for being this kind of full stack uh
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framework for VIP coding. So let's let's use Rails there. He so
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again why commoditative partner is publicly pitching rails and he also
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built this VIP coding uh playbook for for Y comative founders and he's he's
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actually saying look I am vip coding a rails app and I have more success with
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that than some other folks who built in JavaScript stack. Why? Well you got to
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watch this. Um, so where are we? Let's put this this is these are all the
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recent news, but where are we? So we see startups on Rails succeeding, growing.
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We see IPOs, which is great. We see Ruby opensource getting popular, getting on
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the front page, getting in front of people. And we also noticed that investors again
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publicly support Ruby on Rails which was my dream for some reason. Um but let's
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put this into a bigger perspective. So apparently there's this chart that is
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a great illustration of what I felt was happening in the Rails community in the
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Rails ecosystem and it's called Gartner hype cycle. It's just exist out out there. So apparently
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so what it what it depicts is the visibility of any great new technology.
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So when we have this new technology people learn about it the expectations
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skyrocket immediately. It's just our human nature. We always expect
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everything at once. It's kind of natural. But the problem is
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um at the peak of those expectations the technology itself is not yet ready. It's
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not yet ready for all the production use cases where it is kind of trying to be applied. And it's just the reality of
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things because technology is not an idea. Technology is decades of work of
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multiple groups of people put into it. It's not just a single idea. Never.
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So, but we as human society, we expect it to be
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something more of an idea, a sparkle, and we expect everything to happen at
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once. And this is at the peak of those expectations, people realize that, oh, well, actually,
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it's not ready yet for my use case. It's not as fast maybe or performant or
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something like that. and and then they drop it and and the problem is we see those kind of stories
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of people migrating off of the technology that they've just picked and
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yeah then the visibility drops and at the lower point we see people asking
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you know what they ask is Ruby dead
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yeah is it dead yet that's what they ask but this is exactly the test. The test
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of is it is it going to be a real thing? Is it going to be a real story? And the
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test is if people continue building investing their time and their lives,
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the time of their lives and investing as organizations into building out tooling,
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building out the core, building out the whole ecosystem around this technology to actually support all of those
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production use cases that that are needed. And if this is happening then pragmatic value of the technology is
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growing all the time. It's it continues to grow and at some point people begin
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to think or it's actually great. We dropped it but
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hey um what if we if we go back to it now?
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It looks amazing. It looks better than anything we have right now. And why? Not because it stayed the way it was, but
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because it continued getting getting better and better. This is the the reality. And this upward trend is called
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they call it at Gartner hype cycle they call it slope of enlightenment.
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Calling it a cool term. Um I don't know. So this is where I believe we are today.
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So we had this kind of hype in the past and today we've uh we are on this
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upwards uh trend. So where are we going to this is what we're
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going to talk today uh about. But first I'm Arena uh from Evil Martians uh
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co-founder of any cable and I run SF Ruby meetup San Francisco uh meetup and we'll talk a little about that at the
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very end. Uh but at Devil Martians, we work with startups. Um and we write a
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lot of code. I hope you maybe recognize you love some of our open source. Just a
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little portion of it is here. Um and we also talk to users and that's what I
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want to do right now. Please take your phones uh because I want to talk to you.
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Yeah, let's do it. So, please scan this uh QR code.
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Nice. So, as a little warm-up, uh as a little warm-up, just type your
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name. Just type your name. Yeah. Please no bad words. It's not, you know,
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perfect. Okay. Joy is winning. Nice. Ben, hey, even
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um Mikey, Josh, Lucas. Yeah, great to see all of you. Okay, keep the comment
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for a sec and then we'll move on to the next one. Uh yeah, I kind of I kind of love this
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moment. So, this is actually another Ruben Rails startup that is running this
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uh it's called Poll Everywhere. It was co-ounded by Brad Gestler from San Francisco. It is one of the first it
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went through white com one of the first patches and yeah and the real time is
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served by any cable prop that's why I'm so proud um yeah so uh and by the way
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Brad is doing a bunch of new projects the latest is beautiful ruby.com check this out so again uh if you didn't have
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the QR code this is your chance because we'll do we'll do another one uh right
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now. Okay, everybody scanned.
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Uh, please. Okay, let's go. So, when did you first learn Ruby? Put a
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the year the year 2017 2020, 2015,
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2021. We We're seeing a lot of new new folks here. That's great. That's great.
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20 2012. Okay. Okay. I feel like Okay. There's a there's a mix. There's a mix.
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Um. Yeah. Nice. All right. Love it. Anybody?
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Anybody? 2025. No. Nice. Good job. All right. So, this is
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this is great. Um, now can This is a harder question. Why what do you love about Ruby and Rails? What do you love
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about it? Why why are you doing this? And why are you here? Right?
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So, it's you're not only using it, you're also going to events, conferences, but yeah, community,
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simplicity. Yeah, simplicity is great. Expressiveness,
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productivity, ease,
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conventions, joy. Yeah, I love this. Elegance.
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Ah, perfect. RSpec
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alliteration. Nice. Um, AO,
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I know who did that. Who did that? All right. Um, okay. I love this. Okay.
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Community and simplicity. Okay. We're seeing those two big things, right? Um,
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so this is this is pretty awesome and I mean th this is why we're here but
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um now we move move on. Um, pleasure to meet you and
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we're going to talk more about startups today. Uh, because I believe the the
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core of this community is in building startups, building new businesses,
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building ambitious projects. uh you will see the questions you just answered were the questions that I asked startup
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founders for the second year uh in a row and a bit more but first
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uh these are the Ruby and Rails not all Rails uh but all Ruby startups that uh
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of course are not all the obviously not all the stories out there but those are important stories that I
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we all should know about it's Dylan from Figma. It's Adam from Hiro. It's Edward from Gastra. It's Apurva from Instacart.
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Morton from Zenesk. Toby from Shopify. Tom from GitHub. John from Maki. Ryan
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from Chime. Kieran from Intercom. Nate from Deximity. John from Stripe. Brian
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from Coinbase. Deitro from GitLab. And finally Gary Tan who's not the founder
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of YC but he built a an internal social network in YC that became like a
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superpower of YC founder on rails. So this is internal YC tooling that is
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continuous being built on rails. Um and I want to go uh a little back in
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time so we look at those stories in the kind of historical perspective. It's going to be quick. I can promise. um
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20 minutes and we're back. So let's let's look at this. Apparently in 2005
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uh not only Rails one was introduced but also why combinator was founded was kind
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of maybe it has something to do with that and also the same year obviously 15-minute blog from David goes viral.
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Next year already Shopify, MRAI and Twitter are all founded on Ruby on Rails
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the year after and there's some references to open source projects
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just arbitrarily for you to uh just kind of remember those years right to kind of
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think about the corresponding years. So um next year Heroku Zenesk uh are
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founded on rails and also like as we learned um just an hour ago power home
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started there uh huge Ruby monolith um then 2008 we have GitHub Airbnb
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co-ounded and apparently already in 2009 Twitter starts starts migration off of
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rails you remember the quick cycle think that's what happened there um So 2010
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stripe deximity and what happens is Hioku Hioku the company that was
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building uh a the cloud for rails apps originally. It was acquired by
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Salesforce uh very quickly and it was one of the first uh it was Hero itself
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was in one of the first batches of YC and the story goes that the money we got from this deal financed Y combinator for
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many years after yeah but not only that 90% of those uh
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of those batches in YC were on rails and this means that this was the the the
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height the high of the hype cycle Because again, if 90% chooses Rails, it
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doesn't mean they do it pragmatically. They analyze. No, it's just the default right now. They pick it because it's
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there. You got to be aware of why people are making those decisions, right? Uh so
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what happens next? We have new companies. Um GitLab Intercom 2011 and
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2012 is the year astrologologists proclaimed you have to start a company on Rails. um just there's no way around
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it. Chime, Figma or Ruby like Figma, Chime, Figma, Gasta, Instacart, Coinbase
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are all founded that year and Mira is acquired by Gh by Cisco.
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Then in the next few three years, we have consecutive IPOs. Twitter that is
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migrating off of Rails, but then we have Zenesk and Shopify. By the way, your screen that you saw, uh, it's they
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started as a Shopify store the year Shopify went and IPOed. Yeah, maybe
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that's why. So then the next five years, okay, yeah, we
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saw Steisov is founded, but there's kind of nothing else.
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There's really no uh big Ruby stories founded. Aore founded. Oh, nice.
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Okay, there are new what I'm trying to say is we don't see big news from Ruby
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and Rails companies. Uh we see something else. I think when uh these are the
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years when we see this kind of deflated visibility of Ruby and Rails but at the
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same time companies and also people not just companies people invest in building out the ecosystem. So this is when we
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see falcon um any cable test prof and also white jit work starts then so
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we see people you see what's going on right people
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continue building it out this is actually the main determinance of what
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is happening now this is the work that started then and um now suddenly we see
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a bunch of IPOs gitlab coinbased daximity um Instacart, Chime, this is this is
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this is all happening in the last few years and I we see a growing adoption a growing adoption and growing visibility
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of Rails but I hope you you follow the and again we see a lot more new startups
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a lot more new projects but this this this is what we're going to talk about
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in our present part you see we're back
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now we're back and we're going to talk about the present, what's happening right now who is building on rails new
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projects today. And I spoke with a bunch of people like Brian um from New York
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building six-fold AI AI workflow platform for insurance underwriting.
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Damian uh from Warso building vendor e-commerce solution they also maintains pre-commerce. Now Ian from Detroit
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building good bill uh hospital bills negotiation software. Ask from Denmark
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building open pay uh build bill splitting app. Uh Jake from San Francisco building sparity health
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preventive health platform. Scott from New York uh building sub layer DX for AI
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automations and also is running artificial Ruby meetup. Eric uh from
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Virginia open source Cupid a search uh quality testing platform.
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Avin from Dallas uh building craft food delivery from private chefs powered by
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AI for automation. Nidita built uh from Bengaluru building trem line uh release
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management for mobile apps. Bark from London building fertility opens kind of
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like operating system for fertility clinics customer. Um Ken uh from Sydney
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building clipflow software for creators. Victor Compass from Brazil building uh
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V360 in voice management system. Jacob from Arkansas building ordinal AI assistant for local governments. Uh
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Glenn U Luther AI from San Francisco building AI agents that validate
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compliance of marketing campaigns. Very hard. Uh Kelly from Seattle building
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scholarly software and e-learning platform for faculty. Uh Erin Snyder uh from uh North Carolina
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building core pilot an AA powered ERP for aviation
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aftermarket. Uh Jesus Ryan from from
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Atlanta building terminal the e inc uh display that you can program. Uh Thiago
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from Brazil building uh digital bank. Uh Carmine from Berlin building u chat with
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work AI assistant. Uh Joaw from Brazil building Cashi an invoice financing app.
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Trent from Alabama building equip a platform for organizations helping
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people with autism. And Muhammad from Morocco building test skills and
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alternative to testing gerilla. This is not all. I tried to squeeze them into
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one slide but those conversations kept coming. We have Colleen who built Simple
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File Upload from San Diego and Matthew from New York who built uh Rescale sorry
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Rescale Rescale company um that helps
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work with food manufacturing vendors as you can see all sorts of all sorts of
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new startups. I also spoke with some of the older guys um you screen uh Mark
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from Battleist Ryan from Chime and Eddie from Gusto. So, a bunch of people, a bunch of feedback and what I asked them
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were a few questions. What one is why Rails and why Ruby? And I also chatted
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with Dylan from Figma and he said, "I love Ruby."
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That's that's fair. Um, so, uh, Thiago said, "Look, uh, it's this story, by the
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way, similar to what you've just listened to the one you've just listened to from John. Uh, yeah. when you're
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switching from Java, you're immediately noticing, yeah, I'm I'm just going much faster.
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Uh Barkin uh said, "Look, convention over configuration allows us to build to focus on the business logic, just focus
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on our business and our products." Uh Ryan from China said, "Look, Rails uh
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really helped us iterate when we were searching for the right products, when
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we were trying out lots of things. uh uh Rails as the grownup in the room,
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a lot of work put into it. Uh Rails developers uh being more entrepreneurial and
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product and businessoriented as as the another aspect of it. Uh
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Kelly points out that Ruby is over represented among successful startups. So you will not see it over represented
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among new startups. But if you look at the successful ones and the ones that are actually growing, you'll have you'll
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you'll have a different picture. And finally, Glenn said this look few years
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in people will look back and see and say all those years all those successful
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companies were actually building on Ruben Rails. This is what's going to happen.
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And he's a like San Francisco Y combinator founder. Exactly the the the type.
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But let's also look into the future. And I think our look into the future is based on what's missing.
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What people point out as problems as the the missing pieces
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and like I hope I convinced you the last time uh I think this is up to us. That's
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why I think we should listen because the core of Rails, the core of Ruby have a
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bunch of work already and those things is something that the community and the
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ecosystems are um really working on. This is coming
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from us. That's what I'm trying to say. So there were a bunch of points. I will not get into all of them. Uh still the
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comprehensive front end story is missing. uh still like the path to performance
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is a is still a question. Um yes for larger company uh for larger companies
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big problem is hiring and and training engineers and um by the and finally the
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there is one point about advocacy which is something that we kind of miss
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from the hype um cycle is the time when all the SDKs were in Ruby and if you
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think about this this is the reason why we should be loud and we should talk about successes on Rails that happen
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today because we want those SDKs. You want people that build whatever click
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custom portal any any company they should build Ruby uh Ruby SDK if they
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don't want uh only new apps but they also want successful companies among
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their clients right and future future successes but I hope you can guess what
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was the number one topic uh we discussed in the missing part with all those
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founders based on what they build right based bas on the descriptions, the short
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bits. Um, what do you think it is?
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Yes, it's AI. It's AI. Seriously. Um, so
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everybody I spoke with, everybody's using AI. Let's Let's be honest. Um,
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half of these startups would say, "Look, we're pretty early. We're fine storing
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prompts in code. It's fine. Yeah, we don't need any a lot of special tooling.
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We're fine. But then the other half actually said, look, it's been two or
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three years already and there's there's not enough tooling in in the Ruby and AI
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ecosystem. They're missing bits and pieces and we we want to build in Ruby.
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We want to build our product and business logic in Ruby, but we're struggling.
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And what exactly they're struggling with? By the way, we have Ruby LLM, we have Lchain, Ruby, we have more. We
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finally have Antropic and OpenAI Ruby SDKs. They released them in April.
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But this is this is not enough. This is just just kind of scratching the surface. What are we talking about? Like
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first of all, of course, code generation. Uh code generation is something everybody's using, right? We
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use assistants so you of all sorts. Uh the the few questions are is the lack of
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static typing is going to slow us down and this is this is the question we should all consider. Um what like the
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question why is why is this the question? Because the assumption is if we have types and we notice that kind of
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like TypeScript uh code generation in Typescript works pretty well. Um this
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might be one of the reasons. Of course the of course the assumption is that we
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have very short feedback loop uh when we have types. The answer is well when we
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have a test suit we also have a pretty short feedback loop but again it it
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remains to be figured out I will say. Um also do we have enough code to train on
00:28:21.600
remains remains to be answered. Finally, the vibe coding story. The story of
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people building applications in those all of those bold lovable replet etc. Pe
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people build new applications they don't have rails there in in the stack that
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um that is out there. Usually they build NodeJS and all sorts of kind of JS um
00:28:47.200
they can use all sorts of JS frameworks. But there's an answer to that. come to our talk on Wednesday. On Thursday, by
00:28:53.120
the way, on Thursday. Yeah. Um, we might hint on something. We might have
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something actually. Uh, but there is also a an interesting project from OB.
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Check this out. Cloud on rails. And there is an interesting project from Jezeim Tidewave.
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Uh, there's missing MCP tooling. I will not go too deep into this. Uh, but yeah,
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we need a Ruby SDK at least. But we have fast MCP now. Check this out. Uh now if
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you think about all those startups that use AI, they they now have something
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they call usually they call it data pipelines or they have kind of data engineering components in in their stack
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and that part should remain in Python because this is
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what data engineers know, right? But
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um we want all the product engineering to be to be on rails. All the product
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all the business logic we want to keep it on rails and how exactly to separate the two um I would say it's not yet
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clear but also not only how to separate them but also to give to bring all the missing tool into rails and also to
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ensure a connectivity between let's say our data pipelines and our product stack. Uh sometimes we need streaming,
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sometimes we need um background jobs, we need different types of things here. Um
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all the agent tooling um again we we need a lot. We need new abstractions uh
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in Rails. We need new infrastructure because um agentic workflows that are
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what are they? They are kind of undeterministic longunning workflows similar to background jobs but they
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require because of the undeterministic nature of them we need more observability more control more
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resumability more context. So it it is it requires uh additional um and maybe
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new infrastructure. uh observability becomes central when we are building non-deterministic workflows
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because we don't know what happening by default. Um and finally we need quality
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evaluations and we need other new things like browser agents um which are not
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available in rails yet. So we have here active agent uh acidic job leavar it's
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just a few examples there's it's actually a booming open-source field
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check this out um there are a couple books uh the book by Obi Fernandez it
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lays the grounds pretty well uh there's also a new chapter in the upcoming edition of layered design book by my
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colleague VVA and there's also a uh newsletter uh Rubyai uh
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beehive beehive.com. Sorry, it's called Robber Ruby actually. So, check check out this newsletter. It
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collects all the links. Yeah, I I I know I should wrap up. Just just a couple more slides. Uh you know how many
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meetups we had in the last 12 months in the Ruby community? 800.
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we're doing great. Um, when we look into the past, I would say it was tons of fun. Interesting.
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Not Not everybody gets this joke. Okay. Um, the future is up to us, up to people
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in this room for real. And the present, I want to say, has never been better.
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Never been better. And yeah, this is my honest opinion. I think when you ask
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when people ask you, "Oh, Israel's great for a new startup," I will say it was never better than today.
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Yep. And with that, so that you have something to look forward to, we're
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running the San Francisco Ruby Conference. This is where you're going to hear from those startups. You're
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going to connect with them. Uh it's in November 19th, 20th. You're going to you're going to have amazing experience.
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We are supported by a bunch of sponsors. We welcome additional sponsors and these
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people already are confirmed speakers and the CFP is open right now till this
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Sunday with the idea that you all will submit a proposal. U yeah thank you.